More Nexopia PedoPorn Drama
I was “handed” the following article today by a friend.
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Edmonton Internet crime cops are hoping one girl’s courage in reporting an online sex predator will encourage other victims to come forward.
On Thursday, after cops issued a Canada-wide warrant, Surete du Quebec ICE Team cops arrested 24-year-old Joshua Innes in Montreal.
Police said the suspect used many online names to approach people, one being Rexall.
“One of the online communities that we know this person used was Nexopia,” said Wickins.
Kudo’s to the girl who had the courage to expose her exploitation!
Online communities will regularily deal with the types of social dynamics encountered off line. The trend of PedoPimps and Pornographers using tech and the Internet to troll for underage “fresh meat,” online can be countered by community users themselves.
It’s a shame 13 year olds are being forced to step into the role adults should be playing; protector.
This is the second social networking pedoporn case to be brought to the attention of Canadian authorities In the past six months due to the courage of girls using the sites. read this account here..
Remember my thread Nexopia Kinderwhores and Prostitots I Kid You not?
Quick synopsis: I found an excellent article posted on Nexopia about the mass sexualization of children prevalent in today’s culture. That post has generated more hate-mail than any other post I have made to date, even worse than my condemnation of the trial by public opinion in the Duke Rape case. Even after shutting down the comments on that page the hits to the thread keep coming. If you look to my side bar you can see it there hanging out at the top or near the top of my top posts widget. I’m pretty sick of seeing it hanging out in top posts so, for the time being, it’s off limits.
I was so disgusted by the prevalence of child haters and victim blamers hitting that thread that I was inspired to create a new tag Child Haters. It’s a collection of documents, comments and articles that illustrate the toxic environment todays children are forced to endure. I’ll grow it as I come across examples. If you are a fellow Word Press user, I encourage you to add to the tag as well if you come across anything suitable. Just add the category “Child Haters” to your post, and it will show up with all the other articles.
The more users posting resources the more thorough the study can be.
Thanks!
Hazel.
Sat, February 17, 2007
Police praise online victim’s courage
UPDATED: 2007-02-17 01:27:48 MST
By MICHELLE MARK, SUN MEDIA
EDMONTON — Edmonton Internet crime cops are hoping one girl’s courage in reporting an online sex predator will encourage other victims to come forward.
On Jan. 18, the Alberta Integrated Child Exploitation (ICE) Team received information about a 13-year-old Edmonton girl being victimized online through the use of a webcam. They also said they have reason to believe there are more victims.
“There could be victims everywhere,” Det. Randy Wickins said yesterday of the potential scope of their search because it involved the Internet.
On Thursday, after cops issued a Canada-wide warrant, Surete du Quebec ICE Team cops arrested 24-year-old Joshua Innes in Montreal.
Police said the suspect used many online names to approach people, one being Rexall.
“One of the online communities that we know this person used was Nexopia,” said Wickins.
Police were alerted to the crime when the victim confided in a friend and the friend told her parents.
“I want to congratulate this young lady in the courage that she showed,” said Wickins.
“This is the kind of thing that’s not something people like to talk about and she showed great courage.
“You never really know who you’re talking with on the other end of that computer,” Wickins said.
Innes is charged with extortion, child luring and counselling offences relating to making and distributing child pornography.
went to school with that guy can’t say I’m surprised.
Hello I’m Joshua’s Cousin, before you convict and slander someone please try and find out or wait until the verdict is in. All of you do not know what went on or what is going on.
Joshua has never been in trouble in his life not even a ticket.
So lets be smart and wait and see that he is not a victim also of a over zelous crown prosecutor.
Phil Nobody is not who he says , he doesn’t even know joshua ,if he did he would not state what he did good for you Phil not only are you a liar you a stupid ,stupid man with no life asshole. Thanks for being smart.
Joshua Innes was just fooling around and didnt realize the gravity of the situation, sort of like doing prank phone calls (remember b4 caller id all kids did that kind of thing) .
The really disturbing thing in all of this is that the internet task force went after a young man who is essentially guilty of juvenile harrasment, now I’m not saying thats right, but josh’s life is going to be ruined, so a task force can add a notch to its 6 shooter, and justify its budget which is bs…. a repremand is in order, but the way its going, the prosecution is asking for 8 years which is nuts, convicted pedophiles that have raped children get waaay less than that. Theyre the ones that should get 8 +years(life,castration….)
Also the taskforce to me seems lost, if they think a young man harrassing kids and drawing attention to himself by being an online jerk is their profile of an online preditor, they are really hopeless.
They should Just Look at nexopia’s member list for starters, there are alot of sketchy members, all these men and women in the 30’s 40’s 50’s, look at their buddy lists, all children, no adults, now thats a sign to me of a potential online preditor, why? because its not the online people acting like jerks like josh did that are dangerous, its the weirdos that seduce children, become their friends and manipulate them into dangerous situations, like lieing to their parents, running away, meeting these twisted people in real life.
These people are very careful, they dont want to scare the kids away, they dont want to get caught. And these are the people the task force should focus on, the information is right there in their member lists of sites like these, if they only act on complaints, then theyre on the wrong track, yes harrasment is wrong and should be delt with but appropiately, not over kill like josh’s case. As i stated b4 if the task force’s real objective is to catch online preditors then they should look more to those that dont draw complaints or attention to themselves.
Josh wasnt being careful, he was just goofing off for shock value, thinking that the worst would happen would be to get banned for being a jerk. Little did he realize the consequences of his behavior, but he isnt the only one who didnt realize what was going on, parents that dont supervise their children, like the 13 years old girl in this case chatting with total strangers at 3 in the morning, parents need to wake up.Now I’m not blaming the parents, I’m just pointing out that the world is changing fast and dispite our best intentions we dont always realise the full implications of our actions especially on the net.
Instead of making an example of josh, the taskforce should just admit they didnt get the big fish they were looking/hoping for, and release him instead of ruining his life just to save face. Unfortunately there are more than enough real preditors out there that need their attention, i hope they have better luck in the future.
I play ballhockey with Josh. I was wondering if anyone has any updates on his trial. This news was a shock to me and the team. He is in my prayers and I hope to see him in our uniform next season. So if anyone knows anything please post a message here. Thank you
I’m from Global TV, if someone would like to speak to me about the Joshua Innes case, email me, dfazioli@globaltv.com
I just want to say to all the people that are running their mouths about Joshua to just remember that he has a family too, so try to be respectful for their sakes. There are a lot of people hurting over this incident and a lot of people know that he is NOT a bad guy or internet predator.
This is shocking to us all and my sympathy goes out to the girls and their families but let’s be relialistic here, girls of that age know there are predators in the world. At the age of twelve I knew the facts about sex and the possible scary people that are on the internet.
Joshua would never hurt anyone, especially not a young girl. He obviously did not know the harm he was causing, this is blown out of proportion. I believe that he should be reprimanded but eight years is exaggerated.
Hi Cynthia,
I just wanna say to all the people running their mouths off defending a sex predator to STFU!
Thank you.
Ya!!!
No More Support for this guy !!
Just Dramatic Condemnations Please!!!
Get in line People!!!, Only one way to See This….
Even if 99% of the rest of the time he is a nice guy….
Lets all forget that!!! He’s a piece if shit!!! Right?
Because no matter what You do, People!!!
Your only as good as your First Mistake!!!
And that Mistake is All You Get to be from Now on!!
For the Rest of Your Life!!!
So Screw Him !!! Right?
None of Us ever did Anything Wrong….
And even if We did, It certainly wasnt That….
So We can be as High and Mighty as We like!!!
Crucify that Bastard!!!!
Yaaaah!!!
Don’t we just feel so good!!!!
We’re sooo much better than That guy…..
He screwed up….
Spit on him, Come on People!!!!
Spit on him!!!!
Spit… on… him!!!!
If you dont…
Then You must be just like him……
Hey Steve
maybe its not his fault he thinks its a good time to lie, cheat, and exploit children, maybe thats just the way he was raised (see Cynthia’s comment)
As for your statement this was one mistake, how do you know how many “mistakes” he’s made? he preyed on two girls not one, two, that we know of.
Besides, he’s copped to it, he’s doing his time, he’s dealing with his “mistakes”. Maybe its time for you to accept it too.
Internet Predator: One who uses the internet to hunt fresh meat,
You don’t think that’s exactly what was done here? Give your head a shake.
Here is Josh bragging about how he can stay one step ahead due to his technical know how.
http://www.killingconversation.com/guestbook.php
And here’s the significance of 127.0.0.1 for those of us less technically inclined can get in on the “joke”
127.0.0.1 @ Wikipedia
He’s no Angel.
Your Red herring aside, What you seem to be missing is, this is a social problem. on many levels..
I dont condone what josh has done. And its definitely a good thing this behavior has been nipped in the bud. But that does not mean i agree with how this is working out, i dont believe in revenge, but in constructive solutions, how will sending him to jail make him a better person? He’s not a threat to those girls in anyway in real life, so he’s not a danger to society.
We all know most people come out of jail worse than when they went in jail, why shouldnt they? Hang out with thieves , one day you become one, in jail thats all you do, hang out, learn and get peer pressured by other criminals, justice has needed to evolve for a long time now we all know this. With all the social/technological changes more than ever.
Lets be frank, this has nothing to do with rehabilitation, in fact the long prison term being asked for will utterly ruin josh. But helping josh is not the goal, the goal is to scare people into thinking twice about their actions on the net. This is a fundmentally wrong short term band-aid.
Instead of eductating people to the changing times lets just scare them, lets scare the parents and the predators, much cheaper/easier than actually doing something to solve the problem, lets just let some vague future people take care of really solving social problems.
Society is trying to adapt to new change and technology. But ignorance of this change or of the law is no excuse they say, even though there are several thousand law books in any given country comprising the law of the land, we cannot use the defense” i didnt realize the implications of my actions or my ignorance the law” A defense some victims can claim. ironic.. no? This kind of reasoning implies only predators/criminals think more than 3 minutes into the future… Are we all that hopelessly outclassed? Or do we all at one time or another not realize the implications of our actions?
He cant say “i didnt realise the implications of my actions, but all the parents out there can say i didnt realize the net could be dangerous for my children. If this was any other kind of crime, this type of parental negligence would not go unnoticed. a father forgets/kills his baby in the carpark going to work on a hot day , he’s charged with criminal negligence, parents who leave their teenage child unattended for a weekend, resulting in thowing a party and burning down the house maybe killing a few guests, gets charged with criminal negligence.
But if those same parents come home to a physically abused daughter instead of a burnt down house, then theyre off the hook… whats the difference? oh wait theres someone else to take the blame…. but wait didnt someone also start that fire? Wait wait wait special exception, it deals with sex, and that means all victims or parents of are granted immunity from their own stupidity!!!
Unlike alot of situations in life,net access is totally under parental control, no online predator can even know your kid exists, unless parents have neglected to deal with internet access, so how are they not to blame?
No one says theres criminal negligence involved in children having unrestricted net access. Why not? This isnt a new thing, the net has been going on close to 15 public years now? We’ve all been reading about the dangers of the net for years. Letting any children under 18+, serf the net without some supervision is begging for trouble, the net is one big rated R.
Lets play the blame game, , im blaming their negligent parents who let MTV raise their children more than they do, as well as society, and the predators, and society for not dealing with the situation, and passing the buck to back to MTV. Its easy to blame…. We’re all collectively responsible anyways.
But heres the real issue for all, the internet has the quality/fault of seeming unreal, interactive but unreal. Many people believe they are just living out harmless fantasies serfing around, even while chatting with real people they have never met!! This is a fact, we all know it, but we acknowledge this only when convenient, certainly not when we want to vilify someone.
You call josh a predator and in a sense your right, but josh would also be the first to stand up for anyone in real life, why is that so hard to believe? Maybe because then that would mean he didnt deserve jail, but treatment and maybe not even for being a predator. What josh and society, really need is a neducation which is much more complicated.
Thats why people are posting support for him, those that know him anyways, we’re not white washing his actions, but collectively we sense that this is the wrong solution,so far its overkill, and this certainly wont change unless people discuss the big picture.
What I have not stated clearly (kind of goes without saying) is that predators are people too.
Blaming the girls parents is plain lazy, you might as well blame Joshua’s parents for not teaching him that lying, tricking and threatening girls in order to get sexual titilation is wrong. It’s not only morally wrong, it is also illegal. Threatening a person to make them have sexual relations whether on line or in person is rape. And it is sad that the Canadian Justice system has to tell him so.
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Thats why people are posting support for him, those that know him anyways, we’re not white washing his actions, but collectively we sense that this is the wrong solution,so far its overkill, and this certainly wont change unless people discuss the big picture.
Loyalty is a good quality and I’m sure he’d appreciate it. However the comments left here by some ARE white washing his actions, eroding his responsibility, attacking the victims and any one whose opinions regarding Josh’s actions that differ from their own.
If you want real social change as you describe in your above post, you would do well to realize the change has to begin in our own selves, homes and in our circles of acquaintances. The change I’m talking about is eliminating those social attitudes that allow certain people to blame 13 year olds for the actions of an adult. Its no different than the sexual hypocrisies surrounding the whole he’s a player she’s a slut thing.
And lastly an 8 year prison sentence for abusing the trust of a child and exploiting her sexuality, is not overkill, its justice.
I knew josh back in the “good” old days boy was he ever a blast to be around.
he’s a good guy who made “one” mistake ? forgive me but thats just ludacris.
he pleaded guilty right? so if he gets 8 years fine let him serve that. overkill? no
when the underaged are involved wethere first offense or repeat offender should be delt with stiff penalties.
you can blame the parents if that makes you sleep at night although i do agree that parents need to take a more active role into what their kids are doing on the internet or who they are talking to. it does not however excuse anyone be it a “joke” gone wrong or some one who purposely hunts for underaged sex from breaking the law.
Why do you assume prison will such a bad thing for him? maybe it will make him turn over a new leaf. Repent for his ways. LORD JESUS BE PRAISED!
… And Hail Mary
Jesus!Excluding his family.You people really need to get a life and stop writing shit about other people,just because it makes you feel like you are a better person.Your not!
Hey Unknown – right back atcha
To Hazel8500.
You’re a fucking dick.
I love how just drop a quick line in google and see the name ‘Josh Innes’ on a webpage of a BRITISH band, where the site was developed a ‘Josh Innes’ too, and is there a ‘Dymond Grove’ in Montreal? I doubt it.
I can see the headlines and articles though when he goes down in the history books. “Joshua Innes, once amateur web developer and English citizen moved from his home in England to Montreal just to internet fuck some kids”. Not likely, right? Just thought I’d let you know about looking before you leap?
You’re a fucking idiot and an Epic Fail.
Best Regards,
=]
Reality check buddy, Josh’s already gone down in history, the headlines looked like this:
Man faces prison for child porn
Internet sex predator sent to prison for blackmailing teens to strip online
9-year sentence for man who lured city girl into sex acts
And going down in the history books too:
Crown prosecutor Steven Bilodeau told court the crimes were precedent-setting when he asked for a stiff jail term.
“I can’t find any reported decisions of adults blackmailing children to make child pornography.
In general “dawg”, Innes is just going down, repeatedly for the next 9 years. LULZ Now that’s Epic!
OWNED
yo..
not saying i like the dude…
but i gotta say that people who do that shit on sites is fucked..
nex is a pretty sick site..
and when you get people like that ruining the rep..
its costs the rest of us who use the site to be looked down upon..
why do people gotta abuse that?
peace im out!!
~Dee~
Good point Dee, Nexopia is a pioneer that has a user base of millions. That means your going to find a mix of excellence, mediocrity and downright ugly stuff.
I hope other Nexopia users feel like you, and refuse to be budged from their home on the net just because a couple bad eggs stink a few threads up.
Case in point – The topic of this thread: it took the courage of Nex users to address this darker corner of the Net.
Out of the stuff to sieve through as in comments, on this topic well thought through or not. I have to say that any threat real or not (as in directly to a persons face or over the phone/net) is a threat. The intent is there, it’s not to make nice but to forcefully persuade someone to do something against their will, thats not right in any case.
This “Joshua Innes” should have thought of the reprocutions of his actions before he did it, even if it was to stir up s*** which seems unlikely cause of the content. Now 8 years is a bit harsh in my opinion but who says the criminal system is entirely fair? You hear/see the miss-punishment of crimes throughout history, murderers getting less jail time then someone committing a worse crime. Just because this is such a touchy topic (as in where to draw the line when it comes to nudity and age) people think that enforcing such a severe punishment will be a good example and may even detour others to do this… thats not really nipping this in the bud or butt (however you say it).
You have to either have stricter filtering methods for these sites like age ranges as in ONLY for users 18 and under by using say your sin number as proof as to who you are or broaden peoples thought processes from the narrow mindedness of the Canadian/American ways we have been brought up to believe are the correct ways of thinking.
Say for example in Europe you see nudist colonies/beaches all over the place and over there it’s normal… yes nudity is normal, at the right place though. Were brought up to think “That’s bad”, “Thats illegal”, or “My friends would think I’m weird for thinking such things” which is normal to a point at least with little children. But when you reach a certain age you think that you’ve grown past this, but you haven’t, you still judge segregate or whatever, it’s there in the back of your mind. If we all just “look before we leap” (everyone in general, these sites especially) much of this drama and miscommunication could be avoided because they are the ones who leave the “doors” unlocked, all that they have to do is implement a more secure system and peoples lives (victims and criminals) won’t be ruined.
Steve
Holy Cow, awesome comment! Thanks for leaving it. I can’t add or subtract from a single opinion you expressed here. Especially about the need and opportunity out there to develop and use better filter technologies for social sites such as these.
Hazel.
Thanks Hazel. It’s just that you (we) keep on hearing this kind of thing happening over and over again but the only resolve people see fit is punishment. How about actually implementing a more secure system in order to stop these types of “crimes” or incidences from even happening! If something is so important to us (our online safety) then the ananimity of these criminals should be made much harder for them to create or even perceive, then that itself would be an excellent deterrent.
I would love it if someone with the knowledge and know how did something to make this a reality so we could live in not only a just and reliable society but also a safer one as well.
Steve
Sorry about changing my name from “Stevo” to “Steve”, I noticed that right after the comment was posted.
Steve
Hi Steve, “but the only resolve people see fit is punishment.”
- true, and blood thirsty, frightening calls for it too.
I really think that punishment after the fact is necessary of course, but I would also really like to see some cultural and tech changes on the preventative front. I guess the bottom line is people (myself included) really need to take ownership and responsibility for themselves, and that includes our own personal safety. I also think we, the people, need a little edumacation on that front after generations of learning to become dependent on the gov’t to take care of everything for us.
I agree with you about the “tech” changes you mentioned, what kind of changes did you mean culturally though?
We do need to take ownership and responsibility with our personal safety, but these “social sites” do as well. They govern who can and cannot join but they let things get out of hand which in tail creates these problems (i.e. pictures of partially exposed body parts of underage girls, holding up some form of alcohol/narcotic to emphasize how “bad ass” they are and any form of gang related acts or articles of clothing.. bandanna’s logos or any acts of violence should be unacceptable)
There ought to be a stern line thats drawn, if they can’t afford to monitor all this then it should not be deemed safe and should be shut down or investigated further.
Steve
Its always easy to form an opinion about a person good or bad , Joshua Innes is a good person who made a mistake and now is paying a high price for it, too high but the task force can pat themselves on the back and sleep better at night .
If Joshua Is Canada’s big sex preditor now I do not have to wonder anymore why our system is so screwed up . We always look past the facts and base our opinions on what we read. TOO BAD This is A good person who made a mistake which was blown way up too big. I know this person . thanks for the space to write this Merry Christmas
JB Birds of a feather, stick together, If I were you (TGIN!) I wouldn’t go around advertising what a great guy this Josh Innes is. He’s a predator and a child pornographer. Mistakes? Puhlease, get your head out of your a$$.
Hi Steve, re cultural changes so many; but as far as personal responsibility goes I’d really like to see people take responsibility for their choices desires and emotions rather than pointing the fingers at others. For example, how many comments have I received from people blaming children for the acts of adults? Too many to count. How many domestic abusers point the finger at their spouse and say “They made me do it!” breaking bones to murder, if s/he didn’t make me so mad…
Even this Josh Innes guy who conned young girls into acts of pornography gets tons of support mail blaming the girls, the parents, society, everyone and everything but the man himself who made the choice to victimize others in a systematic, cunning manner. As long as we’ve got people running around victimizing others in whatever ways they can because they feel its fun, or the victims had it coming or because they are angry or whatever, no amount of technology (alone), will fix the issues. Tech is one avenue, but social change is the driving force that determines how and what kinds of tech to use.
It boggles the mind why anyone family or otherwise would stick up for some one like this i know this is old news now i haven’t checked up on him in a while so sorry if people have moved on. but honestly this guy isn’t an angel who made a mistake . if you honestly think this guy just did this one “big”/”small” mistake then im sorry but you had your head up your butthole.
If a memeber of my family did this awful act even if he or she was my own child I would disown him/her and show my support for the victim and family of the victim. And I don’t mean hypothetically i would disown my own child if that happened.
Hi David, I hope people aren’t moving on from this topic just yet, and thanks for commenting.
I really empathize with your point of view, and am happy to surmise from your comments that you’ve never had to deal with a perverted family member. With all my heart, I hope you never do.
I do understand the conflict relatives and loved ones experience when faced with the proof that someone they are close to is predatory. But I cannot accept the justifications and excuses some choose to focus on or project onto other’s so as they can avoid the truth and remain deeply mired in the very dysfunctional social, and familial circles they’ve become accustomed to.
I tend to believe the most dysfunctional member of any family tends to be the ones that acts out the family psycho drama the most.
The wild child for example, you know the out of control toddler or teen that’s made Maury rich? They often become labeled the bad one, the black sheep blah blah blah we’re all familiar with this right?
But the emerging psychology (and common sense) indicates the wild child phenomena is a symptom of the family dysfunction – out of control parents, with mood swings and contradictory behavior, screaming fits rotated with indulgent and concilatory actions: produce out of control children.
We can ‘treat’ the child which may be of some benefit to him or her, but it is the entire family that needs to be helped – not just the wildest member.
Therefore, I support the idea of relatives and loved ones of sex offenders to dig deep and recognize their own contributions to our culture of dysfunctional sexuality, rather than pointing fingers at victims and victim advocates and calling them villains.
In other words, I’d like these raging relatives of sex offenders to leave us alone, and attend to their own bags of sh*t.
Once again, thanks for writing! And May you have a great 2008.
Just want to say sites like this are really good to have so you can vent and hazel never once did I say Joshua should not be punished , I meant 9 years was alot because rapists have gotten less time. Anyways its over and he will serve his time.
My head was never in my azz!!!!!!!!
Thanks agian for the space to write.
stay safe.